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I am not quick to judge an author in Plagiarism, I think that there are only so much material in books and therefore it is difficult to find ideas that are completely new.

However, I really can't stomach Sunny's Monere series.

I vowed not to read this series AGAIN ever, but I think someone needs to point out all the similarities in Sunny and Bishop's Dark Jewels and LKH's Meredith Gentry Series.

If you have more lines to add, not themes, but exact lines of the books that are the same in Sunny's Monere series and other books comment and we'll add it. Honestly. This has got to stop.




"Each territory is ruled by a Queen," Gryphon answered. "And the land is divided into many territories."
--Sunny, Mona Lisa Awakening

vs.

The Blood villages within a District would look after, and treat fairly, the landen villages that were bound to them. The District Queens would serve in the Province Queen's court. The Province Queens, in their turn, would serve the Territory Queen, who was chosen by the majority of the darker-Jeweled Blood, both male and female, because she was the strongest and the best.
-- Anne Bishop, Daughter of the Blood






They are full-blooded warriors, stronger and faster than you. Fear not, you will be drawn to them in the same manner as you are drawn to me
--Sunny Mona Lisa Awakening

vs.

It wasn't just the magic that had drawn the males. It was the inner radiance housed ithin those female bodies, a luminescence that some men had craved as much as they might have craved a light they could see glowing in a window when they were standing out in the cold. They had craved that light as much as they had craved being sheathed in the sweet darkness of a woman's body, if not more.
Males had become Blood because they'd been drawn to both.
-- Anne Bishop, Daughter of the Blood




"If Mona Sera detects the intimate scent of her men upon you, she will slay you all. She will kill you because she will see you as attempting to take her territory, her men. She will destroy the men who dare touch you because she will view it as betrayal against herself, a rejection. And as you can see," he grimaced and gestured at himself, "the lady does not take rejection well. If, in the unlikely event the men manage to constrain themselves, do what you can to seduce one or two—all would be best—and make them yours.
-- Mona Lisa Awakening

vs.

Sholto was one of the Queen’s Guard, which meant he couldn’t sleep with any sidhe except her. She didn’t share her men, not with anyone. The punishment for breaking the taboo was death by torture.
-- Meredith Gentry




An entire scene here... with Gryphon and Mona Lisa in Mona Lisa Awakening mimicks Doyle and Merry's scene in A Kiss of Shadows. Where Gryphon and Doyle are both wounded and Mona Lisa and Merry are wearing nothing underneath their night shirt and though Mona Lisa convinces Gryphon to lie with her, in Merry and Doyle's case, Merry didn't tease Doyle but brought him with magic accidentally.

In fact, Gryphon mimicks Doyle to the extent that Gryphon is also a Falcon and Doyle is an Eagle.




There has never been a Mixed Blood Queen before.
-- Mona Lisa awakening

vs

Meredith is the first half-sidhe Queen in Unseelie court.





As you see, males may gain power from joining with a Queen
-- Mona Lisa Awakening

vs.

"No one who has not become a god can sleep with Merry until we understand what the chalice and the Goddess want
-- Seduced by Moonlight
Doyle referring to Merry bringing back the Raven's godhead through sex.




Demon dead was perhaps a more accurate description. They were not creatures from hell as we think of them, although they did live there—in Hell, that is. Demon dead are Monère who died, yet retained enough psychic energy to sustain their existence in another realm—a forever twilight where no life, no colors, existed
-- Sunny, Over the Moon Anthology, Mona Lisa Three

vs


He'd never feared anything in Hell, but he'd always felt an aching despair for the cildru dyathe, the demon-dead children. In Hell, the dead retained the form of their last living hour. This cold, blasted Realm had never been a kind place, but to look upon those children, to see what had been done to them by another's hand
-- Daughter of the Blood




And another disturbingly SAME scene:

"You… uh, you're not going to eat me, are you?"

"Not yet," he growled. "My hunger for you is too great for such restraint this first time."

"Amber," I said almost desperately as his head dipped down, as I felt the brush of his lips and the alarming edge of his teeth stroke over the base of my neck where my pulse bounded suddenly like a desperate thing. As he lingered over it, fear and desire pumped my heart equally. A delicious combination, that edge of danger. But only if I knew there truly wasn't any.

"Amber," I said more sharply. He lifted his head, his nostrils flaring, his eyes dilating as he breathed in my fear-tanged arousal. "I mean as a meal. You don't see me as food, do you?"

He shook his head as if coming out of a daze. His eyes still looked cold, inhuman, but his voice, his voice was the Amber I knew and loved, warm with reassurance… and a bit of amusement. "No, love. I want to fuck you. Not eat you."

"Oh good." The tension left my body, leaving an almost painful, sagging relief in its wake.

His body shook. His breath hitched against my skin as he bent his head once more to my neck. "Amber." Alarm kicked in once more. Had I hurt his feelings?

His head remained lowered.

"Amber, you're not… crying, are you?"

"No," he choked, his breath huffing against me.

"Look at me."

He did. Mirth danced in his eyes, not tears.

"Beast," I said succinctly.

"Don't worry," he choked out, "not too much of one."

His body shook with the laughter he was trying to suppress. "Don't be mad, my love." But his words were ruined by the shaking merriment of his heaving body, and he suddenly lost the battle. A shout of laughter burst out. Then another, and another, until he was fairly howling with it, shaking against me not with lust but with hilarity.

Oh, the bastard! He was laughing at me!
---- Sunny, On the Prown Anthology, Mona Lisa Betwining

vs.

"Are we having fun here, Doyle, or are you going to eat me?" My voice was a little steadier, firmer.

"This first time I would not trust myself to put my mouth to such tender places."

It took me a second to realize that he had misunderstood me. "I don't mean eat me in the euphemistic sense, Doyle. I mean, am I food?" My voice sounded utterly calm now, ordinary. Pinned to the bed by his body, his eyes still animalistic and wild, and I sounded like I was in the office, talking business.

He blinked and I saw the confusion in his eyes. I realized that I was asking him to think too deeply. He'd given himself over to a piece of himself that he rarely let out. That part didn't think like a person.

**snip***

He put a hand back to touch the blood on his back, as if he hadn't felt it until that moment. He propped himself up on one elbow and stared at the blood on his hands. Then he threw back his head and laughed, laughed until he collapsed on top of me again, and when he finished laughing, he cried.

--- LKH A Caress of Twilight


Date: 2010-07-23 10:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shartyrant.livejournal.com
OH she was definitely" influenced" or "inspired" as she put it. in the first "trade" book version, she actually thanks and acknowledges the two authors.

Date: 2010-07-23 01:23 pm (UTC)
ext_190683: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
yeah... I'm really frustrated with this series. I can't understand why it's still THRIVING at what 5 books now???

Date: 2010-07-23 06:06 pm (UTC)
ext_190683: (desolate)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
If I get enough quotes I'll post it in a wider access group like urbanfantasy fan or something.

Date: 2010-07-23 03:50 pm (UTC)
1179875: (Dark; used and hurt)
From: [personal profile] 1179875
I don't know if this is the book but if it is the same one I know it was a bit to close to the Black Jewels to be just an 'ops' or such. I don't remember people saying it was also copyed from LKH's works. But then I have not read her books so maybe just not note? I sady don't remember the name or author. I only remember it was in first person and she knew nothing of the world and somehow got there. An old friend found the book and showed me. I read a bit but it was just so bad with trash sex parts and annoying talking I did not finish speed reading it.

Edit: This is the book I read. Yah it is way to close to BJ I think. No idea what went though Sunny's mind. I will ask this, it seems like you read the book all the way and maybe would have read the series. Is it worth it? I know copy of BJ or part but the library would fix that. Is it better than I had thought? It could be I was just so annoyed about BJ being copyed I did not give it a fair chance.
Edited Date: 2010-07-23 03:59 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-07-23 04:49 pm (UTC)
ext_190683: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
It's not worth it. Just borrow the copy from the library so you can see how awful it is if you really want to give it fair chance.

The writing style is like Hamilton's, but the idea is very similar to both Hamilton and Bishop's work that they were BOTH mentioned in the acknowledgements in the release in trade.

I read the book and seriously did not like it.

Date: 2010-07-23 05:06 pm (UTC)
1179875: (Dark; starting to spiral)
From: [personal profile] 1179875
I think I might just to know the book better if anyone asks. Thank you!

I need to read Hamilton's work. So many have and like her books.

I spot read and hated it. I do remember though it made me really mad she had copyed.

Date: 2010-07-23 05:27 pm (UTC)
ext_190683: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
Hamilton's work..... touch and go. She has good solid ideas. However, the writing style became bad from Mistral's Kiss onwards in the Meredith Gentry series. In Anita Blake, the first was good, and some people say that it was good until book 7 or something I haven't read it beyond the first book.

She's my guilty pleasure. The sex is a distractor, but if you're going to read Meredith Gentry, the point of the entire series is that sex is part of the culture, so if you don't like heavy explicit sex in your novels, you're not going to like it.

As for Sunny. Gah. Just read her books from the library so that, as I said, if anyone asks, you can say: "Don't buy, read in the library if you must and It's BAD" with conviction.

Date: 2010-07-23 07:29 pm (UTC)
1179875: (Shadow Queen; book key to hope)
From: [personal profile] 1179875
I don't mind sex but like you it is a distractor. Is it like Jacqueline Carey's? If it is I may just read the first one to understand more what people talk about. I forgot she wrote Anita Blake. ^^;; I did read the first Anita Blake and found it not to my taste at all.

I will get it from the library so then I will not have to say "well I never read it all..." etc. Makes me sound better than just annoying if that makes since. I don't know if I will be able to finish though. XD But that will show how bad it is as I always finish a book I start.

Date: 2010-08-17 04:48 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (merry gentry)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
NO, definitely like Jacqueline's book I think. If you didn't like Anita Blake, then you better not start off with Merry. Anita Blake was the better of the two books. people read Merry not for the writing, but for the prOn.

Yeah well, good luck on the endeavor, and when you find similariites, don't hesitate to post here haha. :p

Date: 2010-08-18 03:24 pm (UTC)
1179875: (InuYasha; anima ↬ butterflies)
From: [personal profile] 1179875
Ok then maybe no LKH books for me. ^^;

Lol I read and just ew. Other than the copy it was just bad like how did more books come form this bad. ^^; I think you found most! I will add if I remember one.

Date: 2010-07-27 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalanthe.livejournal.com
I haven't read LKH's books so have no comparison there, but the one short story by Sunny that I've read (in the anthology ON THE PROWL) just turned my stomach. Even here in your comparisons, I don't like her writing.

In your examples, it sounds like there is perhaps too much similarity. But I know that I am biased both for Anne Bishop and against Sunny even without a comparison between them.

Date: 2010-07-29 10:38 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (nabiki)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
Well there are apparently some that do.

I really tried reading her series just to be objective. It's the one series that I really can't be objective about. Sorry Ms. Sunny.

Date: 2010-07-28 12:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khardeen.livejournal.com
It's like the bastard child of Merry Gentry and Black Jewels.

Halcyon = Daemon, complete with his very own psychic seduction tendrils and SaDiablo Hall in Hell
token Janelle healer throwback to Jaenelle
Gryphon = Doyle
Amber = Frost, down to the icy facade he erected to keep his sanity from all those years of being used as a tool by his queen
who's that cook, Rosemary? = Mrs. Beale
Warrior Lords = Warlord Princes / equivalent of having Black-jewels, since it's the highest form of power
Thaddeus reminds me of Galen, the mixed blood who has the potential to be more powerful than the rest of them but looks as harmless as a puppy
Basking is the Moonie equivalent of the give and take Queens do with the land in BJT
... and a whole bunch of other things you already mentioned.

tbh I kind of enjoyed reading it, because I love me a good train wreck. I've always been a sucker for horrible reality tv shows. My expression the entire time I was reading it was ":O lol I recognize this" from recognizing what she filched from Anne Bishop and LKH, but I was more amused than irritated.

... Until I went to Amazon and read the reviews.

I can't frikkin believe some people actually think this crap is "unique" and "imaginative". What.

Seriously though, I can't believe this got through publishing, and is on its way up to five books as a series.

Who is this Sunny anyway? And why is s/he only known as Sunny? Is it because she copied all these ideas from other authors and doesn't want to deal with the backlash?

Date: 2010-07-29 10:37 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (desolate)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
haha train wreck, that's such an apt description for it. Just PLEASE tell me you didn't buy her books and just, I don't know, borrowed from the library :p

Sunny is the wife of the author who wrote BROTHERS. She decided she wanted to write one day and well produced this load of ****.

I don't really know why she just decided to be named Sunny maybe because her last name doesn't go with the name... Yu Sunny? Or the Chinese name doesn't go with the genre. Or something.

Date: 2010-07-29 11:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khardeen.livejournal.com
Phsaw. No bleedin' way in Hayll I'd pay money for that crap. I downloaded that shit for free. Mwahahaha.

Huh. I've never read Brothers. Is it any good? On her Amazon page it says:

A family practice physician and Vassar graduate, I was finally pushed into picking up my pen by the success of the rest of my family. Much to my amazement, I found that, by golly, I actually could write a book. And that it was much more fun than being a doctor. As an author, I have appeared on Geraldo at Large and CNBC.

When I'm not busy reading and writing, I'm editing my husband's books, New York Times bestselling author Da Chen, and being a happy stage mom for my young actor son, Michael Chen.


Makes me think "YOU think ACTUALLY COULD WRITE A BOOK? O RLY?" Well I guess she could write a book, since she's published and all. Too bad she copied from my favorite author. :/ (Bishop, not Hamilton.)

I read up to the third book and skimmed the beginning and end of the fourth one. There are also two books in this same universe, about Daemon's Halcyon's sister, the female Lucivar Lucinda. So technically, there are six books, soon to be seven (plus anthologies which I have no idea how many she has), set in this universe that's a bastard child of Black Jewels and Merry Gentry.

I was curious, so I went to her official website and found out that she won awards for this shiz. WTF.

The more I think about it, the less LOLWAT and the more I feel irritated instead. XD This is really fucked up. People go batshit when fanfic ideas get remotely copied but a published author gets raving reviews and awards for this? What the Hayll!

Date: 2010-07-29 11:14 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (merry gentry)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
Well there is that way to go about it. Download it for free.

Brothers... is good. Very sad, but good. I haven't read it yet, but my sister loves it, and with the way she tells it, it sounds good. It's Chinese Communism fiction. Very realistic and written well.

He's Da Chen? I thought it was Yu something? Oh well, he wrote BROTHERS I'm pretty sure of it.

I know so many similarities. The publishers should be shot too. Why are they printing something that has everything lifted?

Date: 2010-07-29 12:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khardeen.livejournal.com
They could probably claim they didn't know, if they haven't read the two series the ideas were lifted from, but seriously - WORD. And not the mention the people who gave her awards! Best Paranormal Romance and whatever else. JFC!

Meh. I wish I could've read it before I discovered this. I know it's unfair to pin what she did to her husband, but I associate it with them now and don't want to like something that has anything to do with anyone who copied from one of my most beloved series. =_=

Date: 2010-07-30 05:04 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
Uh, yeah, unless the publishers actually read reviews in AMAZON, and everywhere else, where everyone keeps saying that the books are REALLY similar to Anne Bishop's Dark Jewels and LKH's books. I can't wait to actually have my own amazon account and post that comparison there. Evil evil evil. I swear.

You shouldn't actually, he writes really well. But I could understand why you wouldn't. He's actually a WRITER. Well, he's not of the same genre anyway, so you're not missing a lot if you're not into the entire realism world. I skipped reality a long time ago. :)

Date: 2010-07-29 11:23 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (manga)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
BTW, I love downloading books. I download them first to decide if I'll buy them in the end. Before the onset of downloading books, I had a ton of books I wanted to give away in bookmooch.

Date: 2010-07-29 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khardeen.livejournal.com
Hee, I've decided to download first and then buy the book if I like it only recently. Finally learned after having shelves of crappy books I totally regret buying. ^_^;

Date: 2010-07-30 05:14 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (Default)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
I end up buying like three copies of the books I like in compensation tho. I have like three copies of Daughter of the blood and gave away the mass market copies I owned so that I keep the trade paperback. I really love it.

Date: 2010-08-31 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lexlingua.livejournal.com
That last one hit me like a bomb. (Thank goodness I never liked Sunny.)

Date: 2010-08-31 08:02 am (UTC)
ext_190683: (desolate)
From: [identity profile] ice-of-dreams.livejournal.com
IKR? uhhh sorry, I suddenly realized that it's not standard net lingo...

I KNOW RIGHT!?

Not that I am an extreme fan of hamilton, but at least her work is original. She took scenes from hamilton and world building from bishop.

She needs to have a whack in the head. I can't believe that Cassie Edwards was called out on plagiarism, when people let go of Sunny's BLATANT disrespect of copyright.

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